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Post by edarsurefoot on Jul 12, 2015 5:29:18 GMT
Simple enough Poll, Gave plenty of choices maybe now the discussion that has completely derailed the Licensing for Darkfall thread can move here.
Discuss below, Try to keep it civil, at least as civil as we Darkfallers ever are to each other.
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Post by haykand on Jul 12, 2015 9:00:08 GMT
Thank you for opening this thread.
1) Poll can be interesting, however they game will work if more than the 100 that post here will join it; devs cannot rely only on feedback from hardcore pvprs (top of the feed chain, so to speak) as you need to keep in mind also the different players that would keep this project alive.
2) Bring real arguments to the debate, not things like "hey man, just keep it as it is, man, I like it that way, man, stop spamming shit man"...think about it, people with this "level of analysis" are also posting on the poll...that is why any poll should not necessarily be considered a Gospel
This is my main point, no brainer: Economy is a fundamental part of a sandbox game because it gives players a reason to gather, quest, fight mobs, raid. If mounts are slower than running exploits (like boonyhopping), this obviously makes the mats that produce mounts less valuable; if a naked in a robe and blackbolt can own 10 geared people, this affects all materials that make armour and high tier weapons less valuable. A naked in a robe should NOT be able to kill 10 geared people and or run away; while a properly geared person should be able (if has superior reflexes/playing skills) to kill 10 geared people (differently from what happens in DFUW). Increase protection for armour, especially for higher tier ones, this forces ALL people to gear up when fighting and gives a risk and a reward to both sides in combat. Uber naked guy risks nothing in the videos we have seen in this thread; he might be "cool" and a great pvpr but this damages immensely the game, people rightly end up fighting naked...why should they risk their hard earned gear if they can be jumped on by a guy that can disappear as fast as lighting or force you to chase him for miles?
Do not imagine yourself only as the bunnyhopper, think at the consequences for the other players, for people that keep the economy alive, for the people that might decide not to go farming/mob hunting any more.
Nerf/disable bunnyhopping; increase cost and mats required to make mounts; increase life of mounts; allow armour for mounts (that can be looted when the mount dies).
Mounts/ships should ALWAYS be faster than any non mounted run/exploit.
Regards HayKand
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Post by Pman on Jul 12, 2015 14:30:15 GMT
Polls like these in a low rank forum where old and expecially new players can't vote matter ZERO. This poll should be done before the game relaunch and in an official forum where people can see videos of this exploit. Yes, is an exploit not intended, players should know all details before vote.
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Post by haykand on Jul 12, 2015 16:17:04 GMT
Polls like these in a low rank forum where old and expecially new players can't vote matter ZERO. This poll should be done before the game relaunch and in an official forum where people can see videos of this exploit. Yes, is an exploit not intended, players should know all details before vote. Very true; plus a forum debate where actual arguments are appraised/debunked makes more sense....but you did see some of the "guh?" style of comments on the other thread, so not surprised no one brings them up now. Is this what people want? But it is also interesting to see that many "keep bunnyhopping" supporters have no urge to put forward any argument; in this case I am entitled to suggest what are their reasons: "I want bunnyhoppping because I was good at it and I want to own newbs"...the thought that this, just like overfishing, might end up transforming the game in a semi desert might require additional i.q. Regards Haykand
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Post by kaerion on Jul 12, 2015 16:49:36 GMT
Well, fnights and haykand, you want to fuck up (again) the DFO vets?
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Post by Pman on Jul 12, 2015 17:37:27 GMT
Well, fnights and haykand, you want to fuck up (again) the DFO vets? So removing exploits and balance the gap between casual and hardcore, new and old players is fuck up the vets? If you think the video above is ok then YES, we want to fuck up you vets. Darkfall need a healthy population and don't fall again in the same mistakes that killed it.
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Post by haykand on Jul 12, 2015 19:39:20 GMT
Well, fnights and haykand, you want to fuck up (again) the DFO vets? I am a DFO vet; I know some exploits that you have more than likely never heard of; no exploit is worth keeping in this game, especially if it had a negative effect on the population. Anyone that has some good faith can tell you that the bunnyhopper that attacked you out of nowhere and disappeared if he was likely to lose the engagement had a detrimental effect on all players, new and old. Regards Haykand
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Post by t00l on Jul 12, 2015 22:08:37 GMT
Leave bunny hopping alone, I was not a frequent hopper at all and I could care less if others do it. If I remember right when it first started wasn't AVs reply when people complained like cool use of game mechanics. It's another element to the game that makes it unique. If you wanna get rid of something remove the ability to get into geometry with the mount - I think that was still possible at the end?
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Post by edarsurefoot on Jul 12, 2015 22:31:57 GMT
Polls like these in a low rank forum where old and expecially new players can't vote matter ZERO. This poll should be done before the game relaunch and in an official forum where people can see videos of this exploit. Yes, is an exploit not intended, players should know all details before vote. I'll just say now that it seems like the main two who were posting about removing it in the other post were you and Haykand and it seems that your "Majority of players want it removed" comments are falling flat so now your reverting to "This doesn't count" type comments of course. I actually voted for one of the nerfs so don't lump me in as being all for it but you two may need to re-evaluate what you view as a majority if this trend continues or move on as we don't need people like you trying to change the game for your specific wants like the old MVP forums and Conclave. If you know a majority of players who want it removed, get them to vote, otherwise man up and admit you were wrong. Fnights you are one of the main people I saw pushing for information from AV when they were debating bringing it back. I respect that, But don't think you have the right to change the game to fit your vision at the cost of everyone else's vision of the game. (I bet if he quotes me that will be the only line he quotes to take it completely out of context).
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Post by bloodymurderer on Jul 13, 2015 1:05:44 GMT
Lol, who the hell voted for regents cost x5? I never heard anyone complaining about the cost of a spell in DFO.
I voted for Nerf Magnitude. Slow mounts should always be better than bunny hop to travel and blue tails should be removed, but each mounts should become unique and they should all cost 2 steedgrass just to keep the steed-grass demand up at all time.
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